2005-12-07 06:24 pm
[personal profile] archerships
Why do the same people who feel awe in presence of 1000 year old redwood trees, often feel revulsion at the idea that it might be nice for humans to live that long too?

Date: 2005-12-07 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kirinqueen.livejournal.com
I don't know any redwood trees who support the notion of intelligent design, or who want to molest little children, or run for president.

Date: 2005-12-07 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
And I don't know any humans that you can drive a car through.

Date: 2005-12-07 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
That's an interesting question.

Date: 2005-12-08 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the23.livejournal.com
the age of the trees is rarely what causes the awe. their size is a much more important factor for most.

Date: 2005-12-08 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pentomino.livejournal.com
Trees don't consume as many resources as modern humans. Moreover, when they do compete for resources, they generally do so without consequences that are as far-reaching as when we do so.

Trees will never riot because of oil prices.

Date: 2005-12-08 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] visgoth.livejournal.com
I think it's disgusting that trees refuse to stand up for low prices.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-12-08 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindwalker.livejournal.com
They simply can't stand the idea of man transforming nature (including himself) according to his own will rather than being controlled by it or other people.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindwalker.livejournal.com
BTW, the January issue of Reason has an interesting panel discussion about human enhancement.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com
Taint NACHREL!

I suspect that's some of it, anyway.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evelynne.livejournal.com
Because 1000 year old trees are beautiful, and 1000 year old people are probably ugly and wrinkly and still listening to ghastly music that was already passe 800 years ago.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carrie.livejournal.com
That's what I was thinking, too. If they could slow the aging process, too, then fine. But I've seen what one HUNDRED year old people look like, and at that rate a one THOUSAND year old person would be a puddle of goo.

Date: 2005-12-08 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Assuming you had a lithe and strong body at the 1 K mark, how would you feel then?

Date: 2005-12-08 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carrie.livejournal.com
Sure, what the hell. I'm sure that most of the people who are objecting are doing so for reasons other than aesthetic ones, though. :p

Date: 2005-12-08 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
My music is passe now.


If people could be persuaded that you would be at least as healthy, firm, and supple as they were at 18, do you think that it would change their opinion?

Date: 2005-12-08 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindwalker.livejournal.com
Great music lasts forever.

Date: 2005-12-08 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evelynne.livejournal.com
My answer was mostly facetious (with a grain of truth in it). But I think that most people are freaked out because it's unnatural, as someone else said, so I don't know if they'd be persuaded by the youth/health angle.

For me personally, I would be incredibly tempted to live that long if I knew my body wasn't going to totally deteriorate. I mean, you could live ten lives (or more) in that time, changing careers, learning new things, stopping work for a few decades, whatever. Wow.

Date: 2005-12-08 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troyworks.livejournal.com
good point. Given the evolution of speech who wants to be listening to a guy talking in shakespearian accent all day?

Because...

Date: 2005-12-08 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pasquin.livejournal.com
Humans can be evil and trees are innocent. I say fuck the redwoods all in the knothole and teach'em a lesson.

Re: Because...

Date: 2005-12-08 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Smokie the Bear cries for you.

Date: 2005-12-08 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsewhereangel.livejournal.com
the section in gulliver's travels on humans who couldn't die but kept aging and grew more and more ingrained in their pettiness struck me as far too real to ever want to live that long.

bush for an age?

Date: 2005-12-08 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troyworks.livejournal.com
because name 3 people you'd want to live that long other than yourself. My houseplants on the other hand I have no issues with.

Re: bush for an age?

Date: 2005-12-08 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
There has to be better way to get rid of dictators than to let everyone die.

Everyone in my immediate family, for starters. Most of the people on my friends list. (I can't think of anyone that I wouldn't want to live for 1000 years.)

I also think that people behave badly in part because there's no cost past their 80+ year lifespan. If, on the other hand, you have to live 1000 years with the consequences of your actions, I can't help but think would make you more circumspect.
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Re: Obvious

Date: 2005-12-08 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
It depends on the marriage, it depends on the work. Given compound interest, even someone making minimum wage could earn enough to become financially independent in a 100 years or so. Then they could spend their time doing things they like. And if you're unhappy with your spouse, why would you stay with her? Find somebody else.


Date: 2005-12-08 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrangel.livejournal.com
What about a human living for a thousand years as a tree? I think being a tree would be quite peaceful.

Date: 2005-12-08 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
Would I want 1000 years to be the same average, mediocre human who works in the office and mostly surfs the net all day? I don't think so. Or are you saying that having such longevity would motivate people to do more than their usual norm? I would disagree also, it seems that people are more encouraged to change their life when they know it will be over soon. Personally, I think immortality or a very long life prospect is antithetical to a remarkable life.

Date: 2005-12-08 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frauhedgehog.livejournal.com
Only if I could have a couple kids every twenty or thirty years or so. Then it would be cool.