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From each as they choose,
to each as they are chosen.

From Anarchy, State and Utopia
by Robert Nozick

Date: 2003-10-20 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
That's awesome --- I'm not sure how I missed that before. Thanks!

Date: 2003-10-21 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Glad you like it!

Date: 2003-10-20 11:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2003-10-20 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
"Let your baby starve if you like."

Date: 2003-10-20 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
"Let your baby starve because the state has mandated that you should pay for someone else's baby's survival instead."

Try not to be ignorant.

Date: 2003-10-20 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
I never realized that pointing out logical consequences of one-line credos counted as "ignorance." Thanks for the tip!

Date: 2003-10-20 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
Considering that's not the logical consequence of this particular two line credo, I think you've pretty much shot yourself in the foot here.

Date: 2003-10-20 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
"One line" = "One sentence."

Thanks for the intelligent debate!

Date: 2003-10-20 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, prior to your assignment statement, "one line" != "one sentence".

I'm glad you find a completely fabricated indictment of a pithy quote taken out of context for the purpose of making an argumentum ad absurdium attack on an entire political philosophy constitutes "intelligent debate" in your eyes. It means that I've not missed anything important by not having you in my life all these years.

Date: 2003-10-20 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Ah, you don't have the whole context, apotheon. His comment is a bit of needling among friends. [livejournal.com profile] candid, with rare exceptions, has historically cast a very jaundiced, bloodshot eye upon altruistic justifications of the state. I would recommend him as part of anyone's life, especially if you enjoy dead baby jokes.

Date: 2003-10-20 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
Well, I'm a sucker for dead baby jokes, so I'll probably not argue with you on that one. I still calls 'em as I sees 'em in a public venue, though.

Date: 2003-10-20 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perich.livejournal.com
Sorry, Joel; you're just as much at fault as that boob. You violated the First Law: never get in an argument on LiveJournal.

Date: 2003-10-20 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
I spent my entire lunch hour feeling retarded.

Date: 2003-11-17 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
My apologies if I contributed to that. I meant my comments to be more playful than they appear to be in retrospect.

In my own defense, however, I'm more of an insensate jackass than a "boob".

Date: 2003-10-20 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hny2k.livejournal.com

"One line" = "One sentence."

Wrong. A sentence can go on for more than one line. And a line can have more than one sentence in it.

Thanks for the intelligent debate!

No thanks for trolling and making no attempt at such.

Date: 2003-10-20 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
Jesus fuck, are you people all retarded?

Have you ever heard of a one liner?

Do you think that the term can only refer to the formatting of the text?

Do you really have nothing better to do than to argue over whether I used a word correctly? (Hint: I did.)

Date: 2003-10-20 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hny2k.livejournal.com

Do you think that the term can only refer to the formatting of the text?

No, the term can have more than one definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=line&r=67), which means that such a statement of universal equality ("'One line' = 'One sentence'") is false.

Do you really have nothing better to do than to argue over whether I used a word correctly? (Hint: I did.)

Do you? You've got as many posts discussing terminology on this thread as I do. But you're right, this has gotten dull pretty quickly, so feel free to get the last word. My apologies for dragging this out.

Date: 2003-10-20 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Yes. No layabouts allowed. If he wants to eat, he better work, dammit.

Date: 2003-10-20 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
My baby makes wallets with fake "Gucci" logos.

Date: 2003-10-20 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
I mean, thief. Man, no more coke before noon for me.

Date: 2003-10-20 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
I think it was the coke before noon that made me attempt to have some fun in your comments section. Sorry for the mess.

Date: 2003-10-20 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hny2k.livejournal.com

My apologies as well. I jumped at you without doing much thinking. I hate these type of threads, so I'm sorry for helping to turn this into one.

Date: 2003-10-20 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
Well, yeah.

Date: 2003-10-21 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apotheon.livejournal.com
Hmm. Upon rereading this discussion roughly twenty-four hours later, I think "Try not to be ignorant" may not have been the ideal means of bringing focus to what I meant by my pseudo-satirical misquote. It was unnecessarily confrontational.

Questioning your premise...

Date: 2003-10-22 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bhv.livejournal.com
Candid I want to as politely as possible question your premise. Your response implies that people who are free to choose will choose to let their babies starve, while a statist violence based system like the average department of children and family services will be better for children.


You are right in thinking that one will probably be better than the other, do you have any evidence that might persuade me that the a DCFS system enforced with the guns of the state does less damage to children and families than private voluntary programs like Mooseheart?

Date: 2003-10-23 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crasch.livejournal.com
Brent, it's no use. [livejournal.com profile] candid forces his own babies to make fake "Gucci" handbags. Appealing to [livejournal.com profile] candid's kindness is like appealing to the Pope for a box of condoms.

That said, Mooseheart sounds like a neat organization. Too bad that the fraternal orders appear to be in decline.

Re: hmmm

Date: 2003-10-24 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candid.livejournal.com
You're putting an awful lot of words in my mouth.

I don't think I implied anything about what people will choose. And I certainly didn't imply anything about one system being "better for children" than another.

All I said is that people who are free to choose are free to choose to let their babies starve. Because if they're not, then it's not really "to each as they are chosen," is it?

Date: 2003-10-20 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacenymph.livejournal.com
I like that MUCH better than:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Date: 2003-10-20 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
I like that MUCH better than:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."


Which was the previous libertarian motto, right?

Date: 2003-10-21 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joe-tofu.livejournal.com
it's something the bad communist guys say in an Ayn Rand book. specifically it was the philosophy of the hippie managers of that factory where John Galt invented his motor. i guess i don't really see the point in basing an entire real world political movement on the opposing of fictional hippies.

Date: 2003-10-21 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
1. I was making a joke based on a possible (perhaps, even a probable) misinterpretation of his words. I had taken it for granted that everyone knew "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" was a direct quote from Karl Marx, and probably the most familiar and oft-repeated quote. It's regarded as "the justice principle," the "distribution principle" of socialism /communisim; it's called "the communist ideal," etc.

2. I apologize for the subtle logic and presumption of literacy. As long as you keep your awareness virginal, all the relevant insight in the world will seem fictional to you. If you wanna know how to oppose Objectivism, I can give you some advice. The way you're going now, you need it.

Date: 2003-10-20 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hny2k.livejournal.com

To try to make up for bringing the discourse level down here, yes, that is a fantastic credo. It all comes down to choice, and no manmade system will ever change that natural fact. Thank you for posting it.

Date: 2003-10-24 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] afb.livejournal.com
The quote's good, but the comments are priceless. *wears a hat on her ass for [livejournal.com profile] candid*