Libertarian men: mating or marching?

[archerships]

adrianconte posits:

This is my theory about smart, rational, libertarian boys who try to get in my (and other girl's) pants: There is an intellectual barrier they will not cross when talking to you. They want to hear your ideas, what books inspire you, what motivates you. They will tell you your ideas are great and suggest even more books for you to read. They will tell you what their glorious plans are and ask about yours. But they aren't actually motivated by anything other than finding a mate and settling down. Activism is an infatuation until they find a mate.

Note: this has nothing to do with any of the LJ people who've tried to get in my pants.

My response:

Given the 9:1 male:female ratio in most libertarian/objectivist circles, most guys are going to have to look outside the community to find a mate. If he finds one, and if she's merely tolerant of his political views, she's going to look with a jaundiced eye upon any significant resources he might wish to devote to activism. Hence the decline in activism upon mating.

Even if they are ideologically compatible, there's still the issue of raising kids. Activism doesn't pay well, and once a kid enters the picture, most parents are going to be much more risk averse.

Comments

[marieofroumania.livejournal.com]

If you date very conservative Republicans, you don't have to worry about breeding, because Republicans are all about the ass.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

Really? Who knew. Maybe I should date more conservative Republican women.

Wait a second...you're using one of those metaphor thinga-ma-bobs aren't you?

[marieofroumania.livejournal.com]

No, it's literal. You get a few beers into them, and all they talk about is anal sex.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

Religious or no?

[marieofroumania.livejournal.com]

I don't discuss religion with many people, and I don't know because usually religion and anal sex are two things that are mutually conversationally exclusive.

Unless, of course, they're... no, that's too easy.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

Unless, of course, they're... no, that's too easy.

What? What? I'm a simple man easily frustrated by Happy Meal placemat mazes. You're gonna have to connect the dots for me.

[fishsupreme]

I think the conclusion of that sentence is:

... a Catholic priest.

[drstevechaos.livejournal.com]

*ba-zing!

[marieofroumania.livejournal.com]

Yooooooooooooou got it!

[crasch.livejournal.com]

Doh!

[elfric.livejournal.com]

ROFLMAO =)

hitting on chicks

[joe-tofu.livejournal.com]

I have never ever used libertarianism or objectivism (both of which I am generally aligned with) as a way to pick up chicks. The old line about never talking about death or politics at the dinner table is a good one, and I live by it. The only exception is when you are trying to screw a hippie chick and in that case I'd say, just get her stoned and cheer on whatever hopeless cause she's into. This is why America has a secret ballot. So Libertarians can sleep with Greens.

PS: Never talk to a Chinese girl about Taiwan.

Re: hitting on chicks

[contrariandoer.livejournal.com]

Yep. IRL it's generally not a good idea to reveal
our political/philosophical position.

This principle does not apply to the situation
in the other side of the world, though. Most
Chinese like and want the libertarian-type
life style, which is enjoyed by most people
in Taiwan. A lot of them try really hard to
get into the island, legal or not.

Re: hitting on chicks

[joe-tofu.livejournal.com]

I'm speaking from experience there. Do not mention Taiwan to a Chinese chick because it will absolutely kill the mood. It is a super sensitive issue for the Chinese even though we all know they are being silly about it.

Re: hitting on chicks

[contrariandoer.livejournal.com]

Since you have the insider view, I'll take your word for it.
All the Chinese I know are outside their country. My
experience is quite different.

Re: hitting on chicks

[gentlemaitresse.livejournal.com]

IRL it's generally not a good idea to reveal
our political/philosophical position.

That's funny for two reasons:

1. I absolutely cannot stand Democrat or Republican viewpoints, so I rarely date either.

2. Is it really possible for a libertarian man to NOT give at least one rant of a political nature at some point before the end of the first date?? =:o

Re: hitting on chicks

[contrariandoer.livejournal.com]

1.Yep. I know exactly what you mean. It's just
a waste time to date someone when you know
it's not going to work.
2.I think it's possible to hide our libertarianism
on a date. We just have to listen all the time,
answer questions with questions, and resist our
urge to express, which kinda defeats the purpose
of dating.

Re: hitting on chicks

[shribble.livejournal.com]

Isn't at least one good libertarian rant a necessary precursor for a date?

Men view interactions with women as rewards for good behavior. This is particularly true of sex. Either I should date/sleep with everyone (showing no selectivity) or date/sleep with only intelligent, pasty, computer nerd libertarians.

I think my choice is clear.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

Celibacy?

[new-iconoclast.livejournal.com]

I think adrianconte is missing one important fact: they're all (we're all) trying to get into her pants. Period. Politics, books, intellect, etc. are just tactics. You use the resources you have available.

I do admit that I find bright women who think like me sexier than ditzy Greens - but they're sexy too.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

(we're all) trying to get into her pants

Yep. Whenever Adrian goes outside, it's like a travelling rugby scrum.

[new-iconoclast.livejournal.com]

I was speaking of the "generic" female, but I'll take your word that it would be true of Adrian as well. In fact, that would fit the hypothesis. :)

[futuregirl.livejournal.com]

One reason I didn't date libertarian or Objectivist guys for a long time is that, while I love their ideas and how devoted they are to them, I don't want stupid little jokes I make to inspire a "what do you mean???"

I find that a lot of people in those circles are VERY sense-of-humor deprived. If they wouldn't have laughed at Ayn Rand calling everyone a "CRIMINAL!" on Forum 2000, then they're not worth my time.

Also, I've known several extropians who, once the mating process was already completed and I was pretty well theirs, couldn't let go of some very intricate pipe dreams. They'd never make a move toward GETTING there, but they'd sure as hell whine about not being there. It cut into the relationship.

I'm all for activism, but once there's a relationship in place, it shouldn't be the focus of the relationship. That's akin to the people who get together so they can better serve God.

[crasch.livejournal.com]

What do you mean???

When I'm a swarm of hyper-intelligent nanobots expanding at lightspeed through the universe we'll see who's laughing then, futuregirl.

Now, excuse me, I'm missing the Babylon 5 marathon on USA.

[futuregirl.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That made my day.

[rachelmills.livejournal.com]

I'm all for activism, but once there's a relationship in place, it shouldn't be the focus of the relationship. That's akin to the people who get together so they can better serve God.

Oh, come on! The best relationships have their glue. And the most interesting ones have something in common besides mutual progeny.

[futuregirl.livejournal.com]

Oh, agreed! But oh dear. It's weird seeing people where that's the ONLY thing they have in common - where the personalities are so fucked up in their differences that you realize they're only there for "the greater good." And believe me, I've seen 'em.